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Wednesday, January 13, 2010 • 11:05 pm
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Nice post, Eugene. Some of us couldn’t have said it any better than that.
That’s my response too. He’s not worth the bandwidth.
hmm… my response was approximately four letters longer.
Ha! I’m not ashamed to admit that too!
I agree. This post is short, honest, truthful, and brilliant.
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my response to Eugene Cho’s response to pat robertson’s comment about haiti and the pact with the devil…
it took me a sec, but got it now (at first, i wondered “is my browser having trouble downloading the whole page?’). gotta agree there. it is crazy disturbing how prevalent his sort of thinking is though.
two words for you Pat Robertson: Shut Up!
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At first I thought my dinosaur iPhone was taking forever to load. Good response.
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My favorite…by far!
This is wonderful! My hat goes off to you🙂
Here’s another take, using a few more words, that is generating some interesting conversation:
Pat was right.
Haiti have had some history with the devil in their political issues. The devil supported Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier. And also sponsored and supported the abduction of Jean Bertrand-Aristide.
The nation of Haiti is not a person, historically there may have been evil leaders who did evil things but what nation hasn’t?
There were many Christians who did amazing work in Haiti who lost their lives in the quake, if you are a Christian how can you support claims like Pat’s in light of that? (Molly Hightower from here in Seattle is just one: http://www.zimbio.com/Molly+Hightower/articles/nf1SnsrpGwq/Molly+Hightower+Found+Dead+Haitian+Orphanage)
Do his criticisms lead people to Jesus or encourage Christian’s in their walk to be like Jesus? No and No.
Instead we should be grieving the deaths of people like Molly who lost their lives in an attempt to bring people hope.
If by “the devil” you mean “the U.SA.” supported Papa Doc and Baby Doc and the abduction of Aristide, you are correct.
Love it! 🙂
oh my gosh. so profound. best post by far!
I love it! Like others, I thought my browser wasn’t loading the page correctly. I refreshed several times before I got it.
Haiti is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere because of the exploitation of European powers historically. From France’s colonization to America’s occupation to trade embargos to unfair debt, Haiti as a nation has been crippled by us and was never given the opportunity to prosper. Because of the subsequent inflicted poverty, infastructure, education – preventative policies like earthquake retrofitting were impossible while corruption thrived. The depth of suffering that is a result of the earthquake could have been eased and is not credtited to the devil but The West. Do us all a favor Pat, and take a sober look at history.
Oh how my heart breaks over Haiti. It rains on the just and the unjust, when someone makes a statement about a curse and how people deserve something like this…I wonder what god they serve because the God I know loves mercy, compassion, justice and is full of Grace no matter what we do.
I cringed when Pat Robertson made such a remark, I thought to myself how hateful this sounded…why did he have to say that? Thanks for your Post and the blank screen. Excellent response.
Needs more “…”
Compassion is what we need.
Dear God, WTF.
Folks have always struggled with how to make sense out of tragic suffering. For much of human history people believed that gods were responsible and that through following certain laws, undertaking odysseys, sacrificing children, cattle, fingers, or virgins the gods could be cajoled into sparing us. When that failed we divided the cosmos into a tenuous balance between good gods and bad gods with people’s actions and will power able to tip the scale of catastrophe in our favor. That spared some cattle and virgins, but did nothing to prevent terrible things from happening. Seemed like the bad gods still kept getting their way and the crops still failed and the rain either didn’t come or came too much, and the volcanoes swallowed up villages and our children kept dying. So we narrowed down the good gods to a more manageable One God, fired up the barbeques again (for just the animals this time, we only covered up the virgins from head to toe), and when anything went wrong we blamed ourselves and let the good God off the hook. But we were never going to be good enough it seems, there was always a few screwups that got even the good God pissed and the rest of us all punished, and then the hot lava would flow, and our enemies would break through, and our children would die. So we took another look at the evil gods, and decided to also personify them into ‘One,’ and gave it a name and a face and blamed all the bad things on him and let ourselves, and the good God off the hook. But the rains still came too much or not at all and the earth shook our houses down, and our children still died. Then we set the smartest among us (theologians, philosophers, pastors and priests) to study the problem (some call it theodicy) and hoped for one grand, final, solution for it all. But they commenced to bickering (even warring) among themselves, so naturally we divvied ourselves up into ever smaller cliques around all the different answers any of them could come up with, and with all the bases covered we then took to blaming (even warring against) each other, as well as the good God(s), or the no-god(s), or the One evil, even each one of us warring within our own selves…searching for the One evil in our own hearts and the hearts of our brothers and sisters…then we looked to the sky, to the smoldering mountain top, to the rising river, to the fevered child, and we pray…….obliged, Daniel.
loool good one 😀
I dare anyone to prove that Mr. Robertsons statements are false. You would lose. The fact of the matter is that He is guilty of bad timing, not propogating falsehood. I’m sorry, I almost forgot; We live in the “post-modern” world,where we can’t let the facts get in the way of emotion.
Did you read @Chris above???
I don’t even know what’s going on, but lol any ways! 🙂
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I cannot read your actual post, only the comments. Was the post taken down? Peace!
Eugene, I appreciate your lack of response to a comment that needs no response. Unlike Sojourners, which has decided they are more righteous than Mr. Robertson and have written blogs ad nauseum about a superfluous issue.
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Cool approach … funny …. will there be a comment on Danny Glover’s comments?
Great, Eugene. I have to confess, though, that my response to Pat was 13 letters long. I think yours is brilliant.
I love it. At first I thought my connection was acting up. I couldn’t have not said it better myself. Stay blessed…john
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Out of curiosity, can someone provide a Biblical response why God allowed this, or why God did this. Please do not provide a philisophical response. Only Biblical.
Go for it. Go ahead and share your answers.
I am not trying to be insensitive to the hurting people that were devastated. We all need to provide our resources (spiritual and physical) and time to help them in all areas.
I am wanting to discuss the possible root issue why this happened from a Biblical perspective. I have not come to conclusion as of why this happened so please dont throw your “stones” at me. Is it possible Haiti was cursed? As God is loving, merciful and slow to anger, was this God’s way of discipling the nation of Haiti?
Someone may say there are other nations that are more “sinful” than Haiti. From our perspective, yes. But since we dont see the full perspective of what God sees about other nations, it is God who will decide how He will respond.
Thursday, January 14, 2010 at 5:48 pm
“Haiti is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere because of the exploitation of European powers historically. From France’s colonization to America’s occupation to trade embargos to unfair debt, Haiti as a nation has been crippled by us and was never given the opportunity to prosper. Because of the subsequent inflicted poverty, infastructure, education – preventative policies like earthquake retrofitting were impossible while corruption thrived. The depth of suffering that is a result of the earthquake could have been eased and is not credtited to the devil but The West…”
If the facts are true, even if the West was part of the reason why Haiti is poor, would that be the root issue?
If the fact are true about Haiti’s national leader and/or leaders who made a pact with the devil, would it be possible that the root issue is spiritual? Would it be possible after making a pact with the devil, it opened the doors of more sin?
Kings in the OT who opened the doors of sin in their nation brought a curse upon the land which lasted for years until the nation repented or was judged with a final destruction. (Im not saying the devastation in Haiti is God’s final judgement.)
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
If the root issue is spiritual, unrepentant sins of the nation, would it be possible this devastation is God’s discipline to bring a nation back to God’s love (repentance)?
Heres an interesting topic that was shared on the Christian radio show by Dr. Michael L Brown.
“God and the Tragedy in Haiti: A Judgment on Voodoo? A Judgment on the Catholic Church? Not a Judgment at All?”
Excellent response found in Star Tribune of St. Paul MN.
Dear Pat Robertson,
I know that you know that all press is good press, so I appreciate the shout-out. And you make God look like a big mean bully who kicks people when they are down, so I’m all over that action.
But when you say that Haiti has made a pact with me, it is totally humiliating. I may be evil incarnate, but I’m no welcher. The way you put it, making a deal with me leaves folks desperate and impoverished. Sure, in the afterlife, but when I strike bargains with people, they first get something here on earth — glamour, beauty, talent, wealth, fame, glory, a golden fiddle. Those Haitians have nothing, and I mean nothing. And that was before the earthquake. Haven’t you seen “Crossroads”? Or “Damn Yankees”? If I had a thing going with Haiti, there’d be lots of banks, skyscrapers, SUVs, exclusive night clubs, Botox — that kind of thing. An 80 percent poverty rate is so not my style. Nothing against it — I’m just saying: Not how I roll. You’re doing great work, Pat, and I don’t want to clip your wings — just, come on, you’re making me look bad. And not the good kind of bad. Keep blaming God. That’s working. But leave me out of it, please. Or we may need to renegotiate your own contract.
LILY COYLE, MINNEAPOLIS
I need some clarity. Am I to take from your response to Mr. Robertson that you hold the position that, well….just what is your position? I’ve watched the video of Mr. Robertson’s comments and I saw him share some history about Haiti’s experience politically. I don’t know if the pact with the devil he mentioned really took place. Do you? But irregardless if it did or didn’t are you saying that it is totally out of the realm of possibility?
Is Satan a real entity with whom humans can interact? If so can agreements between them have consequences that are manifested in what we call the here and now? Please to explain.
I did not see Mr. Robertson say Haiti got what it deserved, though I’m sure some people could interpret it that way. But getting there would require removing his comments out of there context. The context I saw was one of compassion, acknowledging the massive suffering and calling for prayer for a spiritual awakening as well as responding in the “here and now” with relief efforts. If what I describe is accurate, how are his comments worthy of the “smack-down” your response renders?
is it me, or is the post gone? I can’t seem to see it?
i think it makes many of us feel better to say that mr. robertson “doesn’t deserve a response,” but the fact is that many countries around the world picked up on his remarks and classified them as “The Christian Response.”
not only that, but where WAS the Christian response to this tragedy? Where IS it? as it stands, the Christian response has been raising money and *not* responding to pat robertson. the former, definitely a worthy gesture. the latter, a sorely lacking and incomplete way to respond to the “why’s” and “how’s” of this terrible event in a world supposedly loved by its Creator. Robertson gave the world a “why” and “how,” as shitty as his answer was. is the Christian response that there is no answer?
i usually am a fan of Eugene, and certainly his fundraising and advocacy are inspiring. but the benefits of giving a theological treatment for Robertson’s comments, as well as of the tragedy itself outweigh the risks of “lending robertson credibility.” of course, these are only my opinions. thank you.
brilliant. sad about those who agree with him. even sadder they continue to believe the lie that haiti is a nation of nonbelievers. wonder if they have caught all the outbreaks of praise that camera crews have captured. then again, i’m sure they’ll find a way to take credit for bringing salvation to the “heathens” of haiti. sickening.
Im not agreeing/disagreeing with Pat on this issue. Besides what the secular news media is reporting about the spiritual condition of Haiti, I heard of reports about missionaries to Haiti that share there are many people who attend Catholic churches but mix cult practices at home. It was said this was common. There are genuine Christians in Haiti and there are many that believe they can mix other spiritual practices.
Check out this radio show titled “God and the Tragedy in Haiti: A Judgment on Voodoo? A Judgment on the Catholic Church? Not a Judgment at All?” by Dr. Michael Brown.
I looked at this post and, like many other readers, thought, “Brilliant!”
Then I read the comments. @Twitchell makes a valid point about the “benefits of giving a theological treatment for Robertson’s comments”. In fact, the point was all the more potent for coming after Sg’s post asking for clarification.
Those of us who get it – great. But isn’t that why we’re really here, to help people like Sg? Sure, if you’re in the Chrisian “loop”, you may be hearing articulate responses all around. In the overload of posts about the issue, it’s nice to see someone hold their tongue (Appreciate that, Eugene). On the other hand, Sg, whoever you are, may be getting only this one voice. Since Eugene has chosen a respectable path of silence for his own reasons, which I commend, I’d say its up to us to delineate what that means to people like Sg.
So, Sg, if I may, I’d say that most of the readers here *don’t* agree with Pat Robertson. I think that his comments paint a picture of a god that I don’t find in Scripture. I’d also say Eugene Cho’s silence is meant to say, “I won’t dignify that with a response.”
If I’m mis-representing anyone, I apologize. I’m not going to say more than that. But I do invite others to continue clearly “giving a theological response”. And Sg, I appreciate your sincere questions. I hope we can all respond with clarity, dignity, and humility.
You know, all these questions, all this discussion about God and problems and loving each other and hating each other… really, it can all be solved by just accepting each other for who we are. So simple, but why is it so hard for humans to do? I recommend reading this article when you’re done here and joining the discussion:
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