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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by RM Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RM Matthews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone was created for a purpose. Evidently you have not  yet found your purpose in life.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by michaeloldham</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 12:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kilyobas,
Seldom do I understand when a person speaks so plainly as Dr. Worley when he say&#039;s &quot;I know what to do with them&quot;, and then see that someone feels he is speaking allegorically. No sir he is not, he is speaking plainly and directly. The question put forth in Pastor Cho&#039;s blog was never about the biblical perspective of homosexuality(neither will I tell youwhere I stand). It is about the de-humaization of a segment of God&#039;s creation with words. It is something that we all are guilty of at one time or another. The only person who never was guilty of such things was Jesus. There are a good many things my friend that are an abomination before the LORD, yet we do not address them in the manner we do when it comes to homosexualtiy. 

I would ask, do you (meaning plural, not specific) vilify the man who abuses his wife and children? Do you vilify the man who has multiple affairs and abandons his children? Do you vilify the man who treats his wife as a slave or servant and not an equal? Do you vilifiy the wife who abandons her children for the sake of her own pleasure? Do you desire to put behind electric fences all those who do such things? Added to that sir, do you wish to take the fornicator, the drunkard, the adulterer and lock them up and starve them out as well? What about the human being who passes by the wretched of society and the homeless and the starving and turns their nose up as if these people do not exist? This was what Israel was guilty of before God. That was why they were sent into exile! Taking scripture as a whole and not parts to fit our sound bite, we actually see that Sodom was guilty of the following: &quot;Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me.&quot; [Eze. 16:49-50] So in reference to Gen 19, the debauchery had to do as much with the fact that Lot was going to throw his daughter to the men! Why is this not addressed sir? Why is only homosexuality taken from Gen 19? Ezekiel clarified what their entire issue was and he said not &quot;homosexuality&quot; but debauchery. Again, Lot, a &quot;man of God&quot; was willing to throw his DAUGHTER to these men! Why do we not wish to put his type behind electric fences? 

Any time we de-humanize God&#039;s creation, we fail in our fundemental task of bringing the Kingdom of God to bear against the principalitites and powers that run this world. Dr. Worley wants to round up the &quot;Lesbians and Queers and homosexuals&quot; and starve them to death. De-humanizing people that Jesus Christ died for. I see NOTHING of Jesus is that statement what so ever. 

With respect sir, as far as the &quot;american christian&quot; goes, as with St. Paul, I am a citizen of heaven and follower of Christ. I just happen to live in America. I care very little if I &quot;shame&quot; you or anyone else, as it is not before you I must stand and give an account.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kilyobas,<br />
Seldom do I understand when a person speaks so plainly as Dr. Worley when he say&#8217;s &#8220;I know what to do with them&#8221;, and then see that someone feels he is speaking allegorically. No sir he is not, he is speaking plainly and directly. The question put forth in Pastor Cho&#8217;s blog was never about the biblical perspective of homosexuality(neither will I tell youwhere I stand). It is about the de-humaization of a segment of God&#8217;s creation with words. It is something that we all are guilty of at one time or another. The only person who never was guilty of such things was Jesus. There are a good many things my friend that are an abomination before the LORD, yet we do not address them in the manner we do when it comes to homosexualtiy. </p>
<p>I would ask, do you (meaning plural, not specific) vilify the man who abuses his wife and children? Do you vilify the man who has multiple affairs and abandons his children? Do you vilify the man who treats his wife as a slave or servant and not an equal? Do you vilifiy the wife who abandons her children for the sake of her own pleasure? Do you desire to put behind electric fences all those who do such things? Added to that sir, do you wish to take the fornicator, the drunkard, the adulterer and lock them up and starve them out as well? What about the human being who passes by the wretched of society and the homeless and the starving and turns their nose up as if these people do not exist? This was what Israel was guilty of before God. That was why they were sent into exile! Taking scripture as a whole and not parts to fit our sound bite, we actually see that Sodom was guilty of the following: &#8220;Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me.&#8221; [Eze. 16:49-50] So in reference to Gen 19, the debauchery had to do as much with the fact that Lot was going to throw his daughter to the men! Why is this not addressed sir? Why is only homosexuality taken from Gen 19? Ezekiel clarified what their entire issue was and he said not &#8220;homosexuality&#8221; but debauchery. Again, Lot, a &#8220;man of God&#8221; was willing to throw his DAUGHTER to these men! Why do we not wish to put his type behind electric fences? </p>
<p>Any time we de-humanize God&#8217;s creation, we fail in our fundemental task of bringing the Kingdom of God to bear against the principalitites and powers that run this world. Dr. Worley wants to round up the &#8220;Lesbians and Queers and homosexuals&#8221; and starve them to death. De-humanizing people that Jesus Christ died for. I see NOTHING of Jesus is that statement what so ever. </p>
<p>With respect sir, as far as the &#8220;american christian&#8221; goes, as with St. Paul, I am a citizen of heaven and follower of Christ. I just happen to live in America. I care very little if I &#8220;shame&#8221; you or anyone else, as it is not before you I must stand and give an account.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by Kilyobas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kilyobas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 00:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pastor Cho, I am a pastor too from Nigeria and I take strong exception to your bashing of your brother, Pastor Worley whom I suddenly fall in love with this evening after reading his suggestion on CNN online.

When people prove stubborn sinners what do you expect? Jesus called the pharisees brood of vipers. Have you forgotten, &quot;Repent or perish&quot;, something our Lord was fond of? My JESUS is the Lion and the Lamb. It is people like you that make it difficult for sinners to repent by petting and seducing them by hiding the harsh side of the gospel. I believe the Pastor is never inciting violence but speaking allegorically. But Pastors like you are taking advantage of that to flatter grievous sinners and flatter them with sweet words to make it look you the ones that love them, at least seeing how you went as far as apologising to them over words profound words of wisdom GOD Almighty has given to his Prophet?!

And to make matters worst, you refused to state your stand on homosexuality-sodomy. Please brother read Gen. 19 again see things for yourself again. You American Christians of now adays are shaming us worldwide, making more difficult for us to defend the Faith in this part of the world. 

Homosexuality is nothing but ABOMINATION in the sight of the LORD. THEY SHOULD REPENT OR PERISH!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Cho, I am a pastor too from Nigeria and I take strong exception to your bashing of your brother, Pastor Worley whom I suddenly fall in love with this evening after reading his suggestion on CNN online.</p>
<p>When people prove stubborn sinners what do you expect? Jesus called the pharisees brood of vipers. Have you forgotten, &#8220;Repent or perish&#8221;, something our Lord was fond of? My JESUS is the Lion and the Lamb. It is people like you that make it difficult for sinners to repent by petting and seducing them by hiding the harsh side of the gospel. I believe the Pastor is never inciting violence but speaking allegorically. But Pastors like you are taking advantage of that to flatter grievous sinners and flatter them with sweet words to make it look you the ones that love them, at least seeing how you went as far as apologising to them over words profound words of wisdom GOD Almighty has given to his Prophet?!</p>
<p>And to make matters worst, you refused to state your stand on homosexuality-sodomy. Please brother read Gen. 19 again see things for yourself again. You American Christians of now adays are shaming us worldwide, making more difficult for us to defend the Faith in this part of the world. </p>
<p>Homosexuality is nothing but ABOMINATION in the sight of the LORD. THEY SHOULD REPENT OR PERISH!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by Adele Sakler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adele Sakler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sodom and Gomorrah was NOT about homosexuality but rather about the sin of inhospitality!

Being Queer is NOT a sin.

Because of narrow-minded, homophobic, and hateful Christians, i have left the faith.

THANK YOU, Eugene, for speaking out about this man! Words like his only serve to perpetuate hate, keeping people in the closet, hating themselves and believing G-D hates them as well. Also, it leads queers to want to commit suicide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sodom and Gomorrah was NOT about homosexuality but rather about the sin of inhospitality!</p>
<p>Being Queer is NOT a sin.</p>
<p>Because of narrow-minded, homophobic, and hateful Christians, i have left the faith.</p>
<p>THANK YOU, Eugene, for speaking out about this man! Words like his only serve to perpetuate hate, keeping people in the closet, hating themselves and believing G-D hates them as well. Also, it leads queers to want to commit suicide.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by Jim Sevier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Sevier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you pastor worley for defending freedom of speech]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you pastor worley for defending freedom of speech</p>
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		<title>Comment on 10 reasons why men should not be ordained for ministry by Mik Pazula</title>
		<link>http://eugenecho.com/2008/04/26/10-reasons-why-men-should-not-be-ordained-for-ministry/#comment-39801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mik Pazula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 12:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Let&#039;s not throw out what are called the Pastoral Epistles as pseudo-pauline.
2. Let&#039;s read any epistle, looking for the occasion that caused the letter to be written
3. 1Tim was written in response to false leaders in the Ephesian congregation spreading their message through the house church system. The carriers of the message in this context were the young widows, who ran from house to house gossiping. The gossip was not about what the neighbor did yesterday, it was the false teaching of the elders. Paul even names them at the end of 1Tim 1. 
4. In that context, Paul says, I do not allow a woman to teach. He wants to stop the false teaching about prohibiting certain foods and marriage. 

If you do not allow for the context to guide your reading of the text then all single, childless woman cannot be saved. It is wrong to say one difficult verse must be taken literally and the other one must be explained. They both must be explained and the guiding principle is the original situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Let&#8217;s not throw out what are called the Pastoral Epistles as pseudo-pauline.<br />
2. Let&#8217;s read any epistle, looking for the occasion that caused the letter to be written<br />
3. 1Tim was written in response to false leaders in the Ephesian congregation spreading their message through the house church system. The carriers of the message in this context were the young widows, who ran from house to house gossiping. The gossip was not about what the neighbor did yesterday, it was the false teaching of the elders. Paul even names them at the end of 1Tim 1.<br />
4. In that context, Paul says, I do not allow a woman to teach. He wants to stop the false teaching about prohibiting certain foods and marriage. </p>
<p>If you do not allow for the context to guide your reading of the text then all single, childless woman cannot be saved. It is wrong to say one difficult verse must be taken literally and the other one must be explained. They both must be explained and the guiding principle is the original situation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 11:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It very interesting that some out there is scared of a small cage some where, Yet the God all seem to know in parts did not only construct a cage but HELL WITH FIRE AND BRIME STONE. As for my fellow pastor, the construction company should be bigger before \God there&#039;s no small and big sin, look at the liars, corrupt official.  I would rather that we concentrate on showing them all the biblical truth, for any have not looked at some of scriptures. i sat with one young born again who did not know some of scriptures regarding gay life and immediately he changed his orientation. With rage it will fire to fire and with love it will pouring water on the fire.

As for the rest of the world, just seek the truth, some of you have even gone to far in you abuses. May be you&#039;ve not heard of the monkey story of never argue with a fool as people may not notice the difference. If you feel you&#039;re better off, then why do you fight back with excessive rage.

The same bible some of you are reading have prophets who prophesied doom, some of them were killed by kings, who know if this man has been brought about the same God of the pending doom owing to the levels of moral decay.

The preacher and respondents are response in making this world a better place to abide in. Seek the truth for the truth will set you free.

Remember that other than going for the herd of Rev. Charles plan better words if not better fists for the one who put Hello if you don&#039;t do his will. Verbal artillery you can afford now but on the judgement day, the will be computers to verbally fight back. let sin be sin small big or otherwise, We&#039;ve all sinned and fallen short of the Glory. Check your self.

Thanks. Ben]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It very interesting that some out there is scared of a small cage some where, Yet the God all seem to know in parts did not only construct a cage but HELL WITH FIRE AND BRIME STONE. As for my fellow pastor, the construction company should be bigger before \God there&#8217;s no small and big sin, look at the liars, corrupt official.  I would rather that we concentrate on showing them all the biblical truth, for any have not looked at some of scriptures. i sat with one young born again who did not know some of scriptures regarding gay life and immediately he changed his orientation. With rage it will fire to fire and with love it will pouring water on the fire.</p>
<p>As for the rest of the world, just seek the truth, some of you have even gone to far in you abuses. May be you&#8217;ve not heard of the monkey story of never argue with a fool as people may not notice the difference. If you feel you&#8217;re better off, then why do you fight back with excessive rage.</p>
<p>The same bible some of you are reading have prophets who prophesied doom, some of them were killed by kings, who know if this man has been brought about the same God of the pending doom owing to the levels of moral decay.</p>
<p>The preacher and respondents are response in making this world a better place to abide in. Seek the truth for the truth will set you free.</p>
<p>Remember that other than going for the herd of Rev. Charles plan better words if not better fists for the one who put Hello if you don&#8217;t do his will. Verbal artillery you can afford now but on the judgement day, the will be computers to verbally fight back. let sin be sin small big or otherwise, We&#8217;ve all sinned and fallen short of the Glory. Check your self.</p>
<p>Thanks. Ben</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 18:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do we continue to kill our men and women with these senseless wars? Why do we call fallen soldiers &quot;heroes&quot; when they themselves are/were killing machines? Why do we applaud empires, military supremacy, and other systems of Caesar and worldly kingdoms? Why do we praise our military and might, but turn a blind eye to innocent men, women, and children who died from collateral damage? 

American Christians have several idols in their midst: nationalism, American exceptionalism, militarism, and patriotism. All of which many American evangelicals have bowed at their altars. I hope and pray that American Christians will turn away from these idols, and turn to the only One who gave us true freedom at His expense... Jesus our Lord and King.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we continue to kill our men and women with these senseless wars? Why do we call fallen soldiers &#8220;heroes&#8221; when they themselves are/were killing machines? Why do we applaud empires, military supremacy, and other systems of Caesar and worldly kingdoms? Why do we praise our military and might, but turn a blind eye to innocent men, women, and children who died from collateral damage? </p>
<p>American Christians have several idols in their midst: nationalism, American exceptionalism, militarism, and patriotism. All of which many American evangelicals have bowed at their altars. I hope and pray that American Christians will turn away from these idols, and turn to the only One who gave us true freedom at His expense&#8230; Jesus our Lord and King.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 05:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The remarks by both Charles Worley and Eugene Cho create more heat than light.  Let&#039;s tone down the rhetoric, brothers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The remarks by both Charles Worley and Eugene Cho create more heat than light.  Let&#8217;s tone down the rhetoric, brothers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dear Pastor Charles Worley: We condemn your words of hatred and cruelty. Repent! by Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 14:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if the good pastor is going to lock up and kill the Gays and Lesbians, shouldn&#039;t he stone to death all the adulter&#039;ers and divorce&#039;s first.   They are more numerous in this country with a majority of people having unmarried sex, even if it is a short affair it is condemed more in the bible than gay &amp; lesbian sex.  So stone them first, they are a bigger target.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the good pastor is going to lock up and kill the Gays and Lesbians, shouldn&#8217;t he stone to death all the adulter&#8217;ers and divorce&#8217;s first.   They are more numerous in this country with a majority of people having unmarried sex, even if it is a short affair it is condemed more in the bible than gay &amp; lesbian sex.  So stone them first, they are a bigger target.</p>
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